Hot Rocks

This weekend we went to see The Stones, a.k.a. the giant slabs of granite that we have to choose from for our kitchen counter tops. These reside at various stone yards throughout the area, and we had to go pick out our slabs. The counter person has samples to pick from, but because granite is a natural stone, each slab is unique; even if two slabs came from the same mine, they will vary in color, streaks, veins, etc.. So, you really need to go pick out the individual slabs you want to use. Which we tried to do.

So, our builder's allowance puts us into the "level one" range of granite. What's that? That's the "low end", "basic", "entry level", granite - as all the stone yard employees told us over and over. So, it's off to the budget corner for us! Maybe that's all partially a way to nudge people into the more expensive stuff, but their scheme is complicated by the fact that nobody at the stone yard will tell you what anything costs. How can anyone decide on slabs if they don't know prices? That's what the "levels" are for, I guess. But what's the actual difference between level one and level two? Should we even look at level two? Could we afford it? Would we be willing to spend the extra money if we found something we really liked? Who knows.

The stone counter-top process works like this: there are suppliers (the people who buy the slabs from the mines: wholesalers), and there are fabricators (who buy the slabs from the suppliers and then cut and shape them into pieces for your specific project). You only ever talk money with the fabricator, even though you have to choose the slabs from the supplier. You can select slabs from the supplier, you can reserve them, but the supplier will not give you a price on them - they will only say stuff like "this one costs more than that one" or "this one costs a lot more".

So we're allowed "level one" granite, but we don't really love any of it. We liked some of what was classified as "level two", and loved a lot of level three; and the top-end, "exotic" was full of really mind-blowing stuff. But we don't know how much more any of that would cost, not even as a rough percentage of level one. All numbers go through the fabricator: we reserve the slabs, the supplier tells the fabricator, the fabricator does an estimate, then tells us. If we don't like those numbers, we repeat the cycle. Asinine.

Anyway, some of the expensive granite slabs we saw were pretty spectacular: interesting patterns and wild colors, dramatic swirls and details (some had embedded fossils!) - and all that is what makes it expensive. The "level one" stuff is very uniform in pattern and color - and while it's not necessarily ugly, it's just not spectacular.

In other news: a few weeks back, the electrician said the builder doesn't do Cat-5 in his houses, and it's not in the contract, so it would be extra. But we found an email from the builder's agent saying he does do Cat-5 standard, so there was no need to put it in the contract. And, the tile guy says the builder does not do a tile back-splash in the kitchen, but our contract says he does. And we are trying to pick out a front door to replace the one the builder chose and installed without consulting us first; but the door guy Mrs. had been working with got himself all confused and went ahead and picked out a (very expensive) door for us without confirming it. The builder's agent caught that before we ended up owing three grand for a door we hadn't even selected - called up Mrs. and said "Wow, you picked a REALLY expensive door!" Mrs. said "I did? I don't think I picked any door."

So what we have here is widespread communication failure. Nobody in the process communicates with anyone else so nobody knows what they are expected to do. It's very frustrating. The process stops for lack of information, or overshoots because someone didn't bother getting information, etc..

And the builder is still complaining to us about losing money on the house. We have no sympathy. He did the estimate, not us. We didn't force him to agree to the price he put in the contract. If he underestimated, or can't control costs on his end, that's on him, not us.

So, we're deep in frustration these days.

We're starting to pack for our move, though. House goes on the market in three weeks, I think.

7 thoughts on “Hot Rocks

  1. Cris

    some had embedded fossils!

    Real fossils, not just dendrites? I mean, dendrites are awesome, but I got all excited at the rock yard too before somebody* burst my bubble.

    *wife who studied paleobotany

    And the builder is still complaining to us about losing money on the house.

    I’m vicariously frustrated just hearing about it. It’s amazing how many ways you describe this guy — several of these guys, really — trying to slide out from under what they already said they would do.

    1. cleek

      real fossils, yeah. ammonites, i believe.

      perhaps the slab wasn’t granite granite (since you don’t find fossils in igneous rock). could’ve been polished sandstone or whatever. they were in the “don’t even consider it” section of the stone yard, along with the marble and some spectacular translucent onyx slabs, so i didn’t ask any questions except to confirm that it was natural stone.

      trying to slide out from under what they already said they would do
      the weird thing is, we don’t get the feeling that they’re trying to rip us off, it’s that they just don’t know what the fuck is going on. the builder doesn’t know what he’s committed to, and only does things our way when we ride him on it; and the subs don’t know what the builder has committed them to. it really feels like the builder just wants to build our house exactly the way he builds all his spec houses – using the same materials and features, cutting some to make up for others, to stay in budget. so, we have to stay on top of everything – mostly Mrs., since she can spend all day arguing on the phone with them.

  2. Ugh

    so, we have to stay on top of everything

    Yep, yep. As I think I said before, that you have, as far as I can tell, the ability to monitor and wait out the contractor puts you in a different place than most other people he’s probably worked for.

    As for “level one” and “level two,” we had a similar experience on our bathrooms. The contractor gave us an initial estimate based on their “basic” package, which seemed reasonable. Then as we went to pick stuff out (toilets, tile, sinks, etc.) all the “basic” stuff looked like crap, and they would show us the upper-level stuff and we’d make different choices, sometimes asking for how much extra things would be.

    But once we finished with everything and they gave us the revised cost, we were flabbergasted at how much more it was than the original estimate (somewhere around 10-20%). So, the lesson was, always ask for an updated total cost after making changes, even small ones, to keep a handle on things.

    1. cleek

      i’ve always assumed, based on nothing but spite, that all of his houses completely fall apart within a month or two.

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