Hey,
Do you remember when that high-profile pol started a charity and used connections and influence to generate lots of donations? And the said pol went on to become US Secretary Of State? But before doing that, said pol's spouse took over the charity, but continued to accept donations from rich and powerful people?
And it was ?
Yeah, me neither.
Because Colin Powell did not have the reputation in the mid- to late ’90s of being a corrupt or shady character, his decision to launch a charity in 1997 was considered laudable.
Yeah, I think this is the biggest difference between the two foundations not to mention that Colin Powell wasn’t Secretary of State at the time. Also, Mr. Powell hasn’t had the FBI investigating his foundation. Nor did he self-declare and trash unrelated emails of interest. Then there’s the statement that there were no more….and then there was!
For these and other reasons Mr. Yglesias’ defense of Secretary Clinton and her relationship with the foundation at the time she was the Secretary of State of the United States falls flat.
I think the AP wins this round, not Vox. (sounds just like ‘Fox’, doesn’t it?)
Yeah, I think this is the biggest difference
come on man. that is the entire fucking complaint!
Clinton’s “reputation” is built from years and years of accumulated bullshit exactly like this. the phrase “The Clinton Rules” was invented to describe exactly what’s going on here: when a Clinton does something, the presumption is guilt or corruption even if none is shown let alone proved; when someone else does the exact same fucking thing, there is no presumption of guilt or corruption.
Powell used a private email provider for his SoS emails then deleted them all. crickets.
Clinton turns her emails over: BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER
Trump’s the twice-divorced husband of a woman who has numerous nude pix out on the web? oh that Trump! /sad-trombone
Clinton’s aide has marital problems? TROUBLE FOR THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN!
for decades, this has been the media’s MO, regarding the Clintons. and they just won’t stop.
I think the AP wins this round, not Vox.
well, of course you do.
despite having not one shred of evidence of corruption.
While you can complain about the way the Clintons are treated when questionable issues arise, it didn’t come out of nowhere. The press didn’t just all-of-a-sudden make this up. The Clintons earned all of this over many years just as Mr. Powell has earned his reputation.
The big reason the Mr. Trump’s past actions don’t seem as relevant is he wasn’t a career politician at the time. Big difference.
I realize it’s two different standards….private citizen vs politician.
The Clintons earned all of this over many years just as Mr. Powell has earned his reputation.
they earned it by being the subject of decades of lunatic accusations from “conservatives” who know there’s always a market for anti-Clinton pseudo-scandals.
when do you suppose we’d stop hearing about it if Bill Clinton illegally employed foreign workers?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration
The big reason the Mr. Trump’s past actions don’t seem as relevant is he wasn’t a career politician at the time. Big difference.
the reason Trump’s actions aren’t relevant is because he’s a Republican. and yes, he’s a politician.
If Mr. Trump wins the presidential election, he will receive the same scrutiny as any other politician and Fist Lady Melania Trump will also receive added attention since now she will be the first lady and not an international model.
yes. yes… vet them … after the election.
the “conservative” ship is not only sinking, it’s capsized.
No, Mr. Trump is fair game, just as Secretary Clinton is. I’d like to see them both vetted as much as possible before I vote.
I understand that you’re an avid Clinton supporter, but she has brought much of this on herself. She knew from the time she lost the primary to now President Barack Obama that she would be running again and yet, she does these stupid things such as a home server and conflating her job with the foundation activities.. Even if she did nothing wrong, the optics are terrible. That’s part of the poor judgement argument. Even the NYT is telling her it’s stupid to accept certain donations.
Trump also has brought much of his problems as well. It will be an interesting election.
I’m pretty sure that if Clinton wins, we will have a one-party system like China. There will be no more opposition possible, especially after she gets through nominating a few RBGs for SCOTUS.
she does these stupid things such as a home server
which is different from what Powell did, how ?
conflating her job with the foundation activities
which is different from what Powell did, how ?
Even if she did nothing wrong, the optics are terrible.
but they weren’t terrible for anyone else.
if running a charity (or being married to someone who is running a charity) is such a giant problem, where were the months and months of hyperventilating when Powell did it?
Even the NYT
the Clinton’s have already said they will cut ties with their Foundation if she wins.
I’m pretty sure that if Clinton wins, we will have a one-party system like China.
LOL. of course we will. because HRC is uniquely evil.
which is different from what Powell did, how ?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/09/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/
Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, “my predecessors did the same thing.”
This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell. Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did.
We rate this claim Mostly False.
the Clinton’s have already said they will cut ties with their Foundation if she wins.
She signed an ethics agreement in 2008 already. Also, NYT says NOW. There is no assurance that, if elected, she will stop the donations then. The possible conflict of interest will be that much greater as president.
if running a charity (or being married to someone who is running a charity) is such a giant problem, where were the months and months of hyperventilating when Powell did it?
Didn’t seem to be a political issue for Clinton until she started running for President. I would imagine that if Powell were in her position, he would also be getting some heat.
Also, the rules that Clinton broke were not in place when Powell was using his email account.
This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email,
both Powell and Rice use private emails. and both received classified material in those private accounts. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton
the physical location of the server is irrelevant.
see also: Jeb Bush.
Also, NYT says NOW.
fuck the NYT. the Clinton Foundation is Bill Clinton’s legacy project (and it’s a damned good one). and there’s no reason to give it up until he knows he actually needs to.
Didn’t seem to be a political issue for Clinton until she started running for President
right. because then it became THE BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER (according to the anti-Clinton industry). it’s 100% political.
More Clarity for you:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0YG21Z
Hillary Clinton broke government rules by using a private email server without approval for her work as U.S. secretary of state, an internal government watchdog said on Wednesday.
The long-awaited report by the State Department inspector general was the first official audit of the controversial arrangement to be made public. It was highly critical of Clinton’s use of a server in her home, and immediately fueled Republican attacks on Clinton, the Democratic front-runner in an already acrimonious presidential race.
The report, which also found problems in department record-keeping practices before Clinton’s tenure, undermined Clinton’s earlier defenses of her emails, likely adding to Democratic anxieties about public perceptions of the candidate. A majority of voters say Clinton is dishonest, according to multiple polls.
The report concluded that Clinton would not have been allowed to use the server in her home had she asked the department officials in charge of information security. The report said that staff who later raised concerns were told to keep quiet. Several suspected hacking attempts in 2011 were never reported to department information security officials, in breach of department rules, it said.
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The inspector general’s office examined email record-keeping under five secretaries state, both Democratic and Republican. John Kerry, the current officeholder, and predecessors Madeline Albright, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice all agreed to speak to the inspector general’s investigators. Clinton was the only one who declined to be interviewed, as did her aides.
The report contradicted Clinton’s repeated assertion that her server was allowed and that no permission was needed.
Powell and Rice both received classified material on their non-government email accounts.
“conservatives” couldn’t give a fuck about it.